Saturday, October 25, 2008

Sad Day In Ontario



The Ontario Court Of Appeal has ruled that it will not remove the Pit Bull Ban that is currently in place.

Article from the Globe & Mail

ALLISON JONES
The Canadian Press
October 24, 2008 at 5:24 PM EDT

TORONTO — Pit bulls are dangerous and unpredictable dogs that have the potential to attack without warning, the Ontario Court of Appeal said Friday in a decision upholding the province's ban on the animals.

The Ontario government enacted the Dog Owners' Liability Act in 2005 to ban the breeding, sale and ownership of pit bulls after several incidents in which the dogs attacked people.
The Appeal Court ruled Friday that the ban on the breed does not violate any constitutional rights, as lawyers had argued.

The law survived a constitutional challenge in March of 2007, though some changes were ordered. Superior Court Justice Thea Herman said a ban on “pit bull terriers” was unconstitutionally vague because it didn't refer to a specific type or breed of dog.
But the Appeal Court disagreed, restoring the law to the form in which it was enacted.
“The total ban on pit bulls is not ‘arbitrary' or ‘grossly disproportionate' in light of the evidence that pit bulls have a tendency to be unpredictable and that even apparently docile pit bulls may attack without warning or provocation,” the judges said in their decision Friday.

“This evidence of unpredictability provided the legislature with a sufficient basis to conclude that the protection of public safety required no less drastic measures than a total ban on pit bulls.”
Lawyer Clayton Ruby, who challenged the law, called it a “sad day” in Ontario.
“Kind, loving, gentle dogs are being killed across this province for no reason,” he said in a statement.“The provincial government should focus their efforts and resources on identifying truly dangerous dogs rather than apprehending and killing dogs that pose no threat at all.”
Mr. Ruby said he is considering an appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada.

Jean-anne Moors of Banned Aid, a coalition fighting the ban, said the group knew it was fighting an uphill battle against the government, but she is still “very disappointed.”
“I have three so-called pit bull-type dogs who are all legal under the law,” she said, meaning she owned the dogs before the law came into effect and they are muzzled when out in public.
Still, she said, “Everybody's looking at me as if I'm some kind of criminal when I walk down the streets with my dogs. They have no history of aggression.”

Ms. Moors said the law sets a troubling precedent because it's not just a pit bull issue.
“If a government ... can make such an arbitrary decision that a dog is a bad and dangerous dog and seize it under certain circumstances and destroy it ... that's a matter of concern to anybody who has a dog — period.”

Ontario Attorney General Chris Bentley said he was pleased the court upheld the legislation.
“We brought in the legislation because it was important to keep people safe, and our province will do whatever it takes to keep the people of Ontario safe,” he said.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

What a joke.
I hope it`s appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada.
All Canadian Dog Owners better get on board.
This means there are at least 24 Pure Breeds and hundreds of thousands of mutts and mixes that are either illegal in Ontario(born after Nov 27,2005 or restricted(born before that date) and these idiot Judges think that dog Owners don`t have a right to know where they stand BEFORE they are charged and their dogs are seized and killed.
I wonder how far these dog owners can be pushed before they just say NO.
Obviously the Courts are of NO use.
There is NO evidence to support that ruling.
I don`t know how they can get away with that.
BSL coming to each and EVERY Province if the Supreme Court refuses to hear this case(They only hear 3% of cases) or if they hear it and they are as stupid at that level.
Boy if you live in Ontario and own a muscular dog with short hair,square head and a whip tail,you better get out of town(I mean Province).
Are they insane in Ontario?
Travel alert
DON`T TRAVEL TO OR THROUGH ONTARIO WITH A MUSCULAR DOG.
Dead dog driving!

I am now a big fan of civil disobedience.
The Courts are obviously corrupt.
You couldn`t possibly reach that conclusion unless you chose to ignore the evidence.

Anonymous said...

I don`t think it`s any coincidence that the Ontario Premier waited for this Appeal Decision before introducing the Ban on Cell Phones and other handheld devices.
I`m not sure if it`s been introduced yet but whether or not it`s justified wouldn`t matter.

"Reasoned apprehension of harm"

This decision should pretty well ensure that NO ban can be challenged because Facts don`t matter.

Remove Pit Bulls and substitute ANYTHING(Bicycles,cars,ATV`s,cats,
cows,drinking coffee while driving, etc into this Decision.

All those things can seriously injure or kill you.

http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decisions/2008/october/2008ONCA0718.pdf


What the Court has actually ruled is that Govt can act on "reasoned apprehension of harm",they don`t have to base their bans on Facts and when there is conflicting evidence the Courts don`t have to resolve that.

This means ANYTHING can be banned and not challenged.

Facts mean nothing.

From the Decision

[quote]
[T]here is inconclusive and competing evidence in the case at hand.

***** However, conclusive evidence is not required before a government can take action. It is also not necessary for the court to resolve the conflicting evidence. [/quote]*****

You name it,they can ban it.
All they have to do is use "reasoned apprehension of harm"

They used 'pit bulls' to sell it and the Public bought it hook,line and sinker.

Good luck to Ontario residents trying to challenge ANY ban on ANYTHING now.

Sneaky but apparently it worked.

I wonder if they`re going to try and appeal this Decision to the Supreme Court of Canada.

Anonymous said...

The person who compared Ontario`s ban to the proposed ban on cell phones/handheld devices must be psychic or work for the Ottawa Citizen.

From today`s Ottawa Citizen

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=bde37baa-66a9-42c3-bf72-e364f17cd66d

A few choice bits

[quote]And, according to a University of Utah study, a hands-free model is just as dangerous as using a hand-held one.

It turns out it's the actual chit-chat that's the problem.
[/quote]

Remember laws don`t have to make sense,they just have to make it look like it`s about public safety.

I guess you could say that it`s not only certain models of phones that can be dangerous,it`s not even about the phones,it`s about irresponsibility and it comes down to people.

So Ontario will have another ban that is not really about public safety,it`s actually going to increase the problem of Drivers not paying attention.
The facts don`t matter,the mob clamoring for a useless ban will be happy and the Ontario Gov`t will look good.

Best not to visit Ontario.
You might get bitten by a "safe" Breed owned by an irresponsible owner or you might get run down by someone who is chit chatting on a hands free device.

Aren`t you glad you don`t live there?

Anonymous said...

If anyone sees this man who is traveling with his dog towards Toronto,they need to warn him to stay out of Ontario.
This dog would be at risk of seizure under Ontario`s ban.

http://www.thestar.com/living/article/535098

Anonymous said...

Came across a picture and story of the dog mentioned in the comment above.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/story/4245405p-4888559c.html

Considering some of the dogs that have been seized in Ontario,I`d hazard a guess that this one is heading for trouble.
They`ve seized Lab and JRT mixes.
Maybe the Press coverage will ensure his safety.
Scary and unbelievable that you can`t travel in Canada anymore without risking your dog`s life.

Anonymous said...

I think it`s too late for Ontario.
Their Citizens didn`t wake up soon enough.

They thought Bill 132('Pit Bull Ban')was about some "demon" dogs.

They bought the Gov`t line that the Legislation was about Public Safety.


Now they have a Law(recently upheld in their Superior Appeal Court)stating that their Gov`t doesn`t need definitive evidence to enact Legislation.
That their Courts don`t need to resolve conflicting evidence.

It is so obvious to any thinking person what they did.
It`s time to put your thinking caps on B.C. residents who think these Breed Bans are about safety.

Ontario residents can no longer challenge ANY ban in their Courts because of the 'Pit Bull' Ban Ruling.

From yesterday`s Ottawa Citizen

"Banning kids on motorcycles doesn't make sense"

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/letters/story.html?id=8e964778-81e2-4a8b-ac25-e3767989ad3a


No Ban has to make sense in Ontario

No evidence is required to introduce or enact Legislation in Ontario

No Court has to resolve conflicting evidence in Ontario

DON`T LET THIS HAPPEN IN B.C.

They used 'pit bull' to sell it in Ontario.

Tell the Gov`t NO SALE in B.C.

Anonymous said...

Thought this might be of interest to people who think they can hop in their car with the family pet and drive across Canada.

Travel Alert
http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/newsletters/bslontario.shtml

[quote]Why Does DogFriendly.com post this warning about Ontario when there are Pit Bull Bans in many other places?

To the many dog-friendly people and businesses in Ontario, Canada:

The Ontario "Pit Bull and Similar Dog" legislation is very clear that "Pit Bulls" and "similar" dogs are not allowed into the province. We think that we need to inform our readers that their dog is subject not just to a fine but possible confiscation if it is seen in the province and is not grandfathered in as a resident pit bull from pre-2005. We do not advise against travel to Ontario for all dog owners, only those who have Pit Bulls or mutts or other dogs that are "similar" (this is the word used in the law).

We do not recommend against travel to Ontario for a beagle, for example.

Please understand that we issued this warning due to the potential severity of the consequences for people traveling to Ontario with a banned dog. The law could have been written to say that if a non-resident is found with a pit bull in the province then they would have 48 hours to leave the province or they could have been issued a fine. The law does not say this but instead it says that the dog may be confiscated on site. This differs greatly from bans of breeds elsewhere which either allow dogs to visit or will allow you to take the dog out of the local when warned.

We do not know how any individual animal control or policeman will handle an individual case but we need to warn our readers, many of whom have these breeds of dogs, of the possible consequence of bringing a banned dog into the province. We are especially concerned about dogs traveling from neighboring provinces in Canada where there will be no warning at the border that a banned dog is not allowed.

It is also a fact of the legislation that there is no way in Canada to drive a Pit Bull from where it is allowed east of Ontario to west of Ontario since the dog cannot pass through Ontario.


Most other pit bull bans are much more local in nature (a city or county, for example) and someone can avoid the city or simply drive by it or stay in a nearby area. Any comments can be sent to us at: email@dogfriendly.com

Ontario's Breed Restrictions
August 29, 2005

Due to the Ontario Pit Bull Ordinance in Ontario, Canada which went into effect on August 29, 2005, DogFriendly.com Recommends against travel into the Ontario province with your dog whether it is a Pit Bull, other breed or any mixed breed that could in any way be "confused" with a Pit Bull.


We need to make people who travel with dogs aware of Ontario's 2005 Breed-Specific Legislation, (supposedly targeted at Pit Bulls and Pit-Bull like mixes but may affect most any dog). Ontario has recently passed this legislation that makes it illegal, and unwise, for people with Pit Bulls or similar dogs to live in or to visit the province. Unfortunately, this law took effect on August 29, 2005. The law states that authorities have the right to confiscate your dog simply based on their opinion that it looks like a pit bull. This applies to residents as well as visitors. It is a shame that Ontario has passed this law, as the province has a lot to offer travelers with dogs. However, there is a significant risk to dog owners who visit the province, which includes Toronto, Niagara Falls, and Ottawa. Many other cities also have Breed Specific Laws, which we also oppose, but most are far less dramatic in their consequences than the Ontario Law. Most involve leashing, controlling or muzzling dogs in certain public places, not their confiscation. Due to this law, DogFriendly.com Recommends against travel into the Ontario province with your dog whether it is a Pit Bull, other breed or any mixed breed that could in any way be "confused" with a Pit Bull. It is very important to understand that, according to this law, the burden is on the dog-owner to PROVE that their dog is not even part "Pit Bull" breed as defined in this law. TECHNICALLY, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE THE BREED OF MOST DOGS THAT ARE NOT REGISTERED PUREBREDS. Please understand also that the law allows officers to IMMEDIATELY confiscate your dog. They do not have to allow you to leave the province with your dog.

For those of you who live in or must travel to Ontario, please carry your dog's papers or other proof of the dog's breed. Dog owners who owned pit bulls in Ontario prior to the enactment of the law may be allowed to keep the dogs but with strict requirements.[/quote]

Note:Proof of your dog`s breed won`t save you because there are no exclusions in Ontario`s law for other Pure Breeds.
They will be captured under 'substantially similar'.

Canada has been divided into West....Ontario.....East

Enjoy the detour through the States and watch out for BSL